1. We can fully pursue the commands of Scripture without seeking to use the power of the state to force a Socialist progressive agenda on everyone whether they consider it a good idea or not.

    Any good work or good idea can and should be pursued on a voluntary basis. Good ideas do not require force to implement.

    Most social progressive ideas are terrible and thus require the force of the State.

  2. The key to understanding this issue: Justice has NOTHING to do with Social Justice. They're not only different idea, they're opposite ideas.

  3. Excellent talk. Social justice (B) assumes the worst possible interpretation of statistical data while refusing to look at causal factors. Blacks are incarcerated at disproportionate rates. Racism is only one of many possible causes. Social justice (B) assumes it must be racism and rules out factors such as a higher divorce rate.

  4. I've really come to appreciate this man's work. Great talk. Tribes need not be just on the extremes: it can be any grouping… suspicion and presumption of intentions are insightful identifiers to keep guard against.

  5. I understand what you’re trying to do here. But this sort of rhetoric discourages young, impressionable Christians from taking action on issues of justice. They start to worry that their theology is in the wrong place if they care about issues that could be labeled “social justice.” That fear prevents them from acting out of the love God instilled in them for their neighbor.

    You say you’re against tribalism, but you are implying that those who value social justice are “bad,” and those who value “biblical justice” are good. I’m very concerned about the direction you are leading this conversation.

  6. Generally a pretty good talk. I think Mr. Williams vastly overstates the evil of tribalism, in the sense that he seems not to recognize that there's a harmless and in fact generally good version that all humans share. We all tend to view our own home, family, city, state, nation with affection. That's not evil or fallen, it's innate and virtuous. Nobody has time, energy, or ability to serve everybody. We choose instead to serve those closest to us: our own children, our own parents, our own siblings, our neighbors, our friends. We cheer on the sports teams that our community produces; we naturally feel proud when our own state or city earns national or international attention for something good; and we get motivated to change things when they earn national attention for something bad. So long as we recognize that everybody feels the same about their own home, and we recognize our common responsibility as humans, this is beneficial. It only becomes the horrible thing Williams denounces here when it becomes the basis for violence, oppression, or irrational hatred.

    Breathes there the man, with soul so dead,
    Who never to himself hath said,

    This is my own, my native land!

    Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd,

    As home his footsteps he hath turn'd

    From wandering on a foreign strand!

    If such there breathe, go, mark him well;

    For him no Minstrel raptures swell;

    High though his titles, proud his name,

    Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;—

    Despite those titles, power, and pelf,

    The wretch, concentred all in self,

    Living, shall forfeit fair renown,

    And, doubly dying, shall go down

    To the vile dust, from whence he sprung,

    Unwept, unhonour'd, and unsung.

    Sir Walter Scott

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