Criminal Justice Master’s program Online Open House


Hi I’m a Dr. Don Hummer the coordinator of the
master of arts in Criminal Justice program here at Penn State Harrisburg been here
for 12 years now at the university teaching for over 20 and we’re excited because we
just revamped this program that’s now 15 years old just this academic year some
new changes to it incorporating some of our skills from within the School of
Public Affairs and let’s talk about it today and I am Mitchell Patterson the
Associate Director for graduate missions here at Penn State Harrisburg I have the
dubious distinction to recruit students from all areas as it relates to master’s
degrees and doctorate degree programs but today we’re going to have the
Masters in criminal justice featured by Dr. Don Hummer okay the program was offered solely at our
campus here at Penn State Harrisburg for those of you who are not from the area
the Harrisburg area is the fastest growing metropolitan area in
Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia in fact last year 2016 Cumberland County
which is the county just across that bridge or the bridge in this picture
across from the Capitol was the fastest growing County in all Pennsylvania so
our campus itself is reflecting that growth this year we’ve celebrated the
50th anniversary of Penn State Harrisburg and we had many alumni on
campus to see some of the changes that the updates that we have and many of
them remarked that they could not believe this was the same campus they
attended 10 or 20 years ago we have several new buildings buildings have
been updated new dining options residence options our campus itself is
reflecting the growth of our area in addition we have performance and lecture
spaces where we’re beginning to attract nationally known and internationally
known speakers we have a lecture series with PNC bank in our new student
enrichment center and the activities on campus are beginning to diversify and
expand just given the additional space and opportunities that we have here but
let me get specifically to our new MACJ program as I said this program was begun
in 2002 and as many programs will do after a decade or so we took time to
revamp and restock where we were with this program the field had changed
obviously justice is ever expanding a dynamic
enterprise and we redid the curriculum based on not only the present needs of
the fielding of students but also what we think is going to happen going forward
also Penn State as a university the graduate school also updates its
requirements and things that at once within academic masters programs which
MACJ is and so we had to reflect those changes as well so what we ended up with
beginning in January of 2017 was a 30 credit program that requires a capstone
writing project either a traditional six credit thesis or a three credit master’s
paper now sometimes students ask me right off the bat what is the difference
between a thesis and a master’s paper and the easiest answer to that is simply
that a master’s paper requires everything that thesis requires except
the collection and analysis of original data a master’s paper can be thought of
as more of a policy piece if it emphasizes the current state of the
knowledge in a particular area and puts forth or posit policy recommendations
for given issue or topic so there’s no research methods or data to analyze it’s
more of this is what we know and this is what we can do with it to put a policy
in the place to impact a particular trend or issue. So a student will have
to complete one of those to graduate we retained the core courses within the
curriculum that have been there now for 15 years and those are seen on this
slide CRIMJ 500 through CJ-504 for the original five CRIMJ graduate courses
that incorporate theory research methods statistics organization of management
and policy we think those courses have served students well that have graduated from
our program we really fine-tune them to a degree that their are a well oiled
machine and they make up for half of the overall program now what’s new is that
students also have to complete a non-credit concentration this
concentration is completely self-directed but that doesn’t mean a
student is left on their own with their graduate advisor we develop with the
student a nine-credit core of courses that meet that match the students needs
the available courses within the school and the college and basically we listen
to what students want to do with their degree and match them with courses that
will best facilitate that on the next slide I’ll talk a little bit about the
concentrations that we recommend we put a few together as examples for students
to follow because we think those are some of the most popular concentration
tracks that students will take but before that I also want to talk about
transfer credits because sometimes new students say well I started a degree a
couple of years ago and I did one semester and I have nine credits what
can I do with that well if you started a degree related to criminal justice there
may be courses that you took that could substitute for a core course or
concentration course that would be decided on an individual basis if you
started something external to criminal justice but as part of your interest
area those courses could possibly count toward your concentration so that’s
something to discuss with the admissions folks and those of us within the program
that there are avenues that use that a degree that will start it could be
incorporated into this one but let me talk now a little bit about the
concentrations these three concentrations that you see presented here
were put together specifically because of our past knowledge of student
interests within a major students always had a complete elective credits as part
of the MACJ but they were essentially free electives students could pick a
variety of different courses to meet the number of credits required for
graduation and what we wanted to do is a program was to standardize those and say
okay here is a potential interest area for you here are courses that would you
know benefit you if you took them suggestions for registration but also as
talking points if you say okay I’m interested in policy analysis planning
and evaluation well here are four courses that we think would be good but
there are others as well Penn State is a huge university that has many options
available for students that sometimes they aren’t aware of a familiar with
because they haven’t asked the questions our colleagues at University Park have
been very amenable to allowing students to take a course there take a course
online from one of the programs that they offer so there are different
avenues available for students other than just coming to our campus to take
all of their courses and what we’d like to do with these concentrations is know
what our students want out of the degree and help them get in those courses that
will benefit them the most that having been said these three concentrations are
focused within the School of Public Affairs which is our governing school
for criminal justice and they are listed essentially in order of popularity or
what popularity we think well have, a majority of our students tend to take the CRIMJ system components concentration because it is a CRIMJ major and those
four courses are ones that students tend to want to be in because they focus on
the four subsystems of CRIMJ police, courts, Corrections, and
juvenile justice so we do think that most students will will gravitate toward
those and they are fairly straightforward for scheduling as well
because we tend to offer two of the core courses each semester and one elective
all in different nights so that makes the scheduling process very easy for
students coming in the School of Public Affairs though also has a very
well-regarded public administration program and over the years students have
kind of gone back and forth between criminal justice and public
administration in terms of enrolling in courses and in working with the public
administration faculty we talked about some of the things that we wanted to do
with our newly revamped program and I spoke with the coordinators in public
administration that said if we have a student in criminal justice who’s
interested in policy analysis and evaluation what courses would you
recommend that they take and so in conjunction with that we came up with
this list of four now again there are other courses in our programs as well
but these are just recommendations and we did the same thing with Homeland
Security we have a growing Homeland Security program within school public
affairs talk with the faculty and came up with what is essentially a hybrid
between criminal justice and homeland security because the concentration
incorporates both straight criminal justice courses as well as more general
homeland security courses and what’s interesting about that concentration is
homeland security was conceived of as a online program but now they are offering
more of their courses in residence due to the popularity especially at the
undergraduate level we have many undergraduate criminal justice majors
who minor and Homeland Security and one of the interesting things about that is
that graduate students in recent years have used homeland security courses
within their program online and it saves them a
night of commuting it allows to complete work at a different pace it’s
just more convenient for their schedules and their lifestyles as many of our
students are in service they do work full-time jobs so it’s something to keep in mind because the second concentration policy analysis planning
evaluation mostly public administration courses many of those are also online
and I think in the very near future we will have CRIMJ. courses online so there
are going to be a lot of options available for students and I can’t
emphasize enough how important it is to talk about your once your needs your
expectations of this program with your graduate advisor when you’re admitted
because there’s more of these options available to you then probably what meets the eye. Since I mentioned admission I would like to talk a little bit about the requirements
and Mitchell could jump in if I miss anything for the most part for the
most part what we like to see our students with a GPA a minimum GPA of
three (3.0) over their junior and senior years now that doesn’t mean that if you don’t
have a 3.0 and your junior and senior years you have no chance of
being admitted there are other options available one is to take the Graduate
Record exam the GRE as satisfactory scores can compensate for a GPA that you
think might be lower than we seek another benefit to taking the GRE is
that if you’re seeking funding its a requirement every student that is funded
by the Department with a graduate assistantship or fellowship has to take
the GRE that’s a graduate school requirement so you can almost take care
of two tasks with one exam and just in my case that as the coordinator of the
program I always like to see students who have taken the GRE it just gives us
one more piece of information to assess that students
background and abilities and help them out within the program it in terms of
funding this year it is fairly competitive but criminal justice does
have two of the fellowship students at Penn State Harrisburg one Bunton-Waller
fellowships they are competitive across the college and our program has two of
those students incoming and what’s interesting about that is unlike a
graduate assistantship which is for one year a fellowship is guaranteed for two
years and so that those students who are awarded those fellowships basically have
funding for their entire master’s program here at Penn State Harrisburg
again it is a fairly competitive thing with undergraduate transcripts GRE
scores letters of recommendation things like that and we also you see a
checkmark there on a brief two-page statement of purpose or writing sample I
don’t want students to overlook that it think that’s just a form letter we have
a three faculty member admissions committee and we read those in depth we
want to make sure that students are coming into our program that we can
match what we do with what the students expectations are because occasionally
we’ll have students who you know right there statement of purpose and think
maybe they’re better suited to public administration or Homeland Security or
separate program and we’ll tell them that and because we want to keep our program small, historically our program has always been fairly small but it’s very hands-on and very
one-on-one between faculty and students we take in some cases personal
responsibility for forgetting students through the program every faculty
member usually has no more than 4 I’m the coordinator I have the most advisees and
I think I have five and if faculty member has two three four or
five advisees we work with them closely for the two years that they’re here and
try to ensure that they’re getting everything out of the program that they
expect and we often refer back to that statement of purpose in order to do that
there is no application deadline it’s rolling admissions but we do request
that students seeking funding apply as early in the calendar year as possible
we have to get recommendations to the graduate school for funding decisions in
early March so the earlier we have your application after the first of January
the faster we can get you into our pool so what will students do when they’re
here besides study very hard and do lots of reading and write papers again we
try to meet the individual needs of each student in the program I would say over
the past 10 years that half of our students have aspired to go into further
education Criminal Justice or in to doctoral programs and the other half are
either pre-service students who want to go work in the field of Criminal Justice
or are already working in criminal justice and they’re seeking advancement
in the present career so we kind of guide both sets of those students in similar
but somewhat different ways the students that are on the academic track we tend
to involve very heavily in research with faculty in doing publications with
faculty and conference presentations at some of the major criminal justice
scholarly societies that using mentioned their American Society of criminology
and Academy of Criminal Justice sciences as well as smaller regional meetings I
don’t think in the time that I’ve been here that a student who has sought a
admission to a doctoral program has not done one of those things with a
faculty member either presented or publish something or at least attended a
conference with a faculty mentor so we have a very good track record of making
sure that our students are prepared scholarship wise for doctoral study for
those students who are pre-service we strongly encourage an internship many of
those students will not write a master’s thesis they will do the master’s paper
project which means that they have one available three credit elective during
their 30 credit program we try to guide those pre-service students specifically
toward internships now this is one aspect of our program that I think we
have not emphasized as much as we could have over the years but with the new
requirements we are doing that and we’re doing that in a few ways number one we
have that three credit set aside we really think that those students who
have never worked in the field should most definitely use those three credits
for practical educational experience but in order to do that students have to be
matched with agencies willing to sponsor them and take them on and so we work
with our school public affairs Board of Advisors to list internship experiences
to get personal connections with those who work in the field locally statewide
and as well as federally and the response has been tremendous as of right
now we have more agencies seeking graduate level interns than we have
students to take those positions so as we go forward into next academic year
we’re going to to work very aggressively at steering students toward those
internships early in their program so that maybe between their first
and second years they’ll take three credits over the summer and complete one
of these internships this is just a great way of getting students those
practical experiences as well as building relationships within our
program in the school with those agencies immediately surrounding us so
we had a lot of momentum going that way and we want to keep that going to that
end there are some also some fun activities that we have available for
students both to graduate undergraduate level the CRIMJ club I believe is in
its seventh or eighth year sponsoring events and speakers and trips tours of
local facilities we have the criminal justice honor society that is open to
undergraduate and graduate students and the network that we have with
our graduates of the program is great as well every once in a while we have a
graduate of the program who works in the field of Criminal Justice come back and
do a summer course at the undergraduate level this year we have a MACJ graduate who was a captain and a local police department and he’s going to
teach an undergraduate course and Criminal investigations so we like to do
those kinds of things to keep our MACJ in touch with us as a
program and with their school as well as share their knowledge you know
internships are one way to do that but there’s a wealth of knowledge from our
graduates that we want them to be able to give back to those students coming up
so what have those graduates done compile a list of where our MACJ graduates have ended up since 2003 I had a whole print out at
the beginning of the year for institutional research of every single
graduate and we tried to call together as much as we could we got most of their
information and we put that into four general
categories as I said a little while ago maybe about forty percent have gone on
to doctoral programs at schools like SUNY Albany, George Mason University, American University, Temple University and Sam Houston State University just to
name a few some of them are now professors some of them are now
professors in our program so we have again you know sort of incorporate that
idea of taking our alumni knowledge and imparting it back to the students coming
up in fact to be specific three of our 11 faculty members here at Penn State
Harrisburg have degrees from Penn State Harrisburg so we’re kind of proud of
that we also have probably another forty percent of our senior officials in various
agencies of criminal justice both at the at the local state and federal levels
they work in institutional Corrections probation and parole the US Capitol
Police, Pennsylvania State Police and to many other agencies to even mention
throughout central Pennsylvania we have alumni in virtually every criminal
justice related agency the pennsylvanian commission of crime and delinquency the
state or the Commonwealth Department of Corrections everywhere now and I think
that shows the strength of our program as well as the positions that some
of these individuals are in many of them are in research oriented positions and I
believe that reflects our emphasis within the program even though students
who are not going to go on to a doctoral program or are ever doing to run statistical analysis in a true academic way they are going to work with
information they are going to work with data they are going to create knowledge
that’s used for policy in the positions that they entered and I’ve been told
anecdotally that agencies like to have our graduates because they are able to
do those things no student leaves here without a knowledge of methodology and
data analysis and policy formulation and theory and they’re able to use that I
think that’s what differentiates us a little bit from other programs in that
we think that students who take a master’s degree from Penn State
Harrisburg and criminal justice should be able to be producers of knowledge to
one extent or another and they’re using those skills out in the field and that’s
really where we want to go moving forward is continuing to produce those
high quality graduates to continue to foster those relationships with local
agencies and to continually improve our program and they get adapt to the needs
of the field at the needs of the students going forward thank you for
your time alright Wow well thank you Dr. Don Hummer that was a wonderful and
extremely informative presentation about the master’s degree in criminal justice
we’re going to move into a second segment into this informative discussion
that we’re having this morning with Dr. Hummer where I’ll ask a few questions
and for the viewers out there please chime in through social media or you can
send an email to [email protected] psu.edu where we can take those questions
and field them directly to Dr. Hummer while he’s here with us this morning so
a lot of the questions that I have Dr. Hummer is really tailored through my
experience networking and traveling on behalf of Penn State Harrisburg as I
mentioned earlier navigating and marketing all of our program but we’re
talking to specifically about the criminal justice program today again
wonderful presentation about our great source of
information for the last 15 years as our program has spent stood strong here in
the capital region but can we talk a little bit about shipping years what’s
really formulating today among consumers of higher a or how can I get as many
degrees within the shortest period of time so I’m alluding to the integrative
undergraduate graduate degree program or better known as an IUG where it
features both baccalaureate and a master’s degree in five years so can you
sort of give us a little framework about what that will look like to a
prospective student who’s considering Penn State Harrisburg sure the
integrated undergraduate graduate program allows students to count 12
credits towards both their undergraduate and graduate degrees in essence with the
new 30 credit program in the MACJ what it will allow is for students admitted
to that program and it is competitive admissions into the great program do not
take just anybody at this point I believe the minimum required GPA is
going to be a 3.25 and the student has to apply but it will allow those
students to complete both the undergraduate BS degree and the graduate
MA degree in five calendar years for them so if student comes in is
admitted to the IUG finishes their senior year they will be taking a couple
of graduate level courses during their senior undergraduate year and those
courses will count both toward their undergraduate and then toward their
masters so they come into their first year technical first year at the
master’s program with 12 credits leaving them with 18 to finish leaving them with 9 in the fall and 9 credits in the spring semester.
credits of the fallen on credits and this is a practice that is
common at other universities and it’s something that Penn State has been
emphasizing for a while now and our degrees were targeted because we are the
only master’s degree offering in criminal justice in the Penn State
System the university park does offer a program in criminology at the Masters
level but as far as criminal justice because we have 14 campuses that offer
undergraduate Criminal Justice but Harrisburg the only one that offers the
master’s degree so we envision that as serving not only our students
undergraduate students here at Harrisburg but also undergraduate
students from around the penn state system excellent the
shifting gears again back to the experience the hands-on experience those
suits are getting you shared a lot about the trucks and concentration so students
who are on here at Penn State Harrisburg but aside from the anecdotal information
what is the practicum whatever is it that they’re learning and then the
application to learning is that happening for students and the program
here it absolutely is and again we have to talk about students sort of in those
two separate groups one of the more academic tracking those who are going to
be working within the field because our interns typically do their
internship in the summer between their first and second year the way we like to
envision the program is that in their first year they have the foundation
courses for the five core courses theory and data and organization of management
policy and then when they go out into their practical experience they’re
seeing those things in action in the agencies with which you’re working then
when they come back for their second year and they’re preparing to do their
capstone project they’re applying what they’ve learned through reading and
studying and also what they’ve learned by working hands-on it feel to their
emerging those two things to do their finished product of the master’s paper
itself we like to see as as both how much you know content knowledge you have
in the area but also what to learn when you are applying that to you know police
practice and policy or the supervision and treatment of
offenders or planning criminal justice initiatives in a community right how did
those tenets of basics of our knowledge come together to help you in those
actual endeavors that you were doing hoping that summer internship and then
those in the academic track the hands-on is really research and in addition to
projects with where students are supervised by faculty members and
produce an end product we view the student’s thesis as potentially their
first lead author publication i would say that in the years that I’ve been
here probably three-quarters of students who complete a master’s thesis published
that in an academic journal with them as a lead author their faculty members as
second authors so they were responsible for not only completing the thesis
project but once they’re done and many of them work than in doctoral programs
they were responsible for taking that thesis and whittling it down to its
essence a 30-page journal article and submitting it through the academic
process like they’ll do for the rest of their career and really to me that is
the most hands-on experience a student can have if that’s their chosen career
the fact that they’re going to go through this process whereas
historically many students did in publishing things until after they
finish their doctorates our graduates almost across the board tend
to go into their doctoral programs with publications already in their name
certainly publications and presentations so they’ve got that head start in that
jump start and if anything could be said to be a calling card or a program I
think that’s been in that when our students apply to agencies are they
applied to doctoral programs those agencies and programs know what they’re
getting from us they know the kinds of students they know the training that got and they know the people that those students have worked with and they can
see on paper the accomplishments that the students have and you know I know
there’s always a lot of talk about growing
program numbers and things like that but really our program I would always like
to see a fairly small level because it’s it’s really our strength it
differentiates us I think from many other programs and I’m familiar with and
in the end I think it’s best for both the students and the discipline that we
have a small tight group of students who are best able to do the kinds of things
that really not a whole lot of students can do so the emphasis is quality
absolutely and over the quantity so it is done it sounds like intentionally to
have a modest number because the fact that the faculty-student ratio that’s an
unprecedented number with a faculty five the one with advisees versus an advisor
absolutely so are there any resources that’s tied into career placement
because oftentimes you spoke of students that are already within the industry
itself are those who are aspiring to go on to doctoral work but you do work
with our career services by way of placement you know everyone is saying
well what’s in it for me I’ve invested I completed the program and the end result
is what particular industry is really looking for standing in line to higher
Penn State Harrisburg criminal justice master’s degree students yes we have
worked with career services in the past but quite frankly when our
students graduate they tend to have standing offers ready great to go now
whether or not a student wishes to go into some of those options that are
available to them or those opportunities are available to them or they wish to
strike out and pursue something else completely different is certainly their
choice but again the internship experience for those pre-service
students has been invaluable remember I think it’s probably only about a quarter
to a third of the MACJ students who have no experience in the field at all
or do not want to go on right so they’re just looking at this sort of
that’s their last degree but they haven’t yet worked in the field so it’s
a fairly small number and those are the students that we’ve always tried to push
toward the internship experience we’ve always tried to get them involved with
networking with agencies in any area or in an area where they’re from and want
to return to we’ve become familiar just in the past few years with more of the
agencies in northern New Jersey in New York City because we got a number
students from that area and those opportunities are plentiful for students
but sometimes they don’t know where to look so there and that’s where we do
bring in career services and it even some of the faculty members own personal
references and backgrounds we’re more than happy to to try and advocate upon
on behalf of our student for employment but really in the time I’ve been here it
hasn’t become an issue those students do have options available to them sometimes
thing wish to relocate or two maybe even go outside sort of the traditional
parameters of criminal justice which is a growing area data analytics the
private sector in terms of private loss prevention things like that those
opportunities are growing exponentially and so are salaries and so sometimes we
think that the traditional Criminal justice system is where students should
be focused but the opportunities in the insurance industry and the retail
merchant industries and in data analytics are you know sort of growing
beyond the opportunities within a criminal justice system itself so the student
that has a little initiative to explore those options available to them can be
rewarded handsomely both in terms of opportunity and a great salary.
great you did that actually serves as a prelude into my next
question in terms of who are we drawing you know there’s this real big talk
about cybersecurity as you just alluded to and i always think where most people
will think when you think about the feel of criminal justice that its traditional
law enforcement so with that being said are we seeing this hybrid model or
cross-pollination where if you had a pie chart and you were to say here are the
top five areas where students with the background and XY that’s being drawn to
this field criminal justice where they coming from who are we drawing into the program yes very good question and I think you know criminal justice will always have
that core of law enforcement and corrections that those who work with adjudicated youth/ kids and things of that nature but that core is shrinking and the other
opportunities for example students with an interest in homeland security issues
at least here at Penn State when I first got here that wasn’t a program
that wasn’t it something else talk about it was certainly a field a growing
field but we hadn’t tapped it to it at Penn State yet and now that we have we’re
seeing a good number of those students come from that traditional core criminal justice
and go to our homeland security the number of students at minoring in
Homeland Security there are Criminal justice majors at the graduate
level is probably growing faster than any other segments well we are also finding
a lot more students I’m thinking back to those who have gone through the program
and done some what I would considered non traditional kinds of majors or
concentrations electives sort of the emergency management aspect we have had
students quite a few who have taken elective courses in for example health
education planning for emergency response so it’s all sort of blend
together Mitchell in a way you have the criminal justice component the Homeland
Security proponents a public health and safety component all coming together and
the great thing is here we have that we have that in health education we have
that in health administration within our own school public affairs or public
health at the Penn State Hershey they have a master’s in public there that
students can take courses there and the the medical school is only 10 minutes
away all of those different adult education all of these areas that sort
of have the umbrella term safety and well-being under that’s where you
know Homeland Security and law enforcement and health homeland security I
think there’s any true growth area outside the core of a criminal justice
it’s that it’s how can we make society more healthy overall how can we partner
with the private sector to ensure these things happen as you know the three mile
island is very close to our campus and excellent it works with a number of our
graduates home security and MACJ for things like perimeter security and for
disaster planning and things of that nature so I really think that our
students are still being drawn from with similar interests but those interests
are now being defined by a larger awareness of safety is not just keeping
the streets of a neighborhood safe but it’s a global issue and there are many
different threats and situations that have to be accounted for not just
terrorism but also natural disasters and natural disasters and emanate from
man-made disasters all of those different things and they bring together
different sectors public health education Homeland Security and criminal
justice okay one more question and then we’ll
wrap it up I’m going to close on this note what’s your vision for the
MACJ program over the next five years as the newly minted program coordinator what’s the goal over the next five years well what’s on the
side of preparing students for scholarly careers we want to keep our trajectory
on that I think that’s been our strength that’s been what we’ve been noted for it
we just want to keep that going on the other side you know in the years I’ve
been here I think if there’s anything that we could improve upon as a program
it is our collaboration and networking with agencies locally and statewide as
well as federally and our networking with professionals and educators in
those other areas you know I mentioned the Master of Public Health at
Penn State Hershey that’s been an extremely well regarded program but we
have not been able to build the kinds of bridges with those programs that i think
we’d like to because it will benefit our students in the end the more
opportunities more exposure our students have to all that encompasses public
safety will certainly make them more aware of the kinds of things they can do
with their degree and also you know open their minds a little bit too to the
direction that the field is taking because it is evolving it’s not the
criminal justice degree that I got so many years ago right it is a completely
different field now it is it is acting locally but thinking globally whereas
before if that really was not the case and students have to have that
forward-looking perspective they have to know what the issues are of the day but
also be able to adapt to what’s going to come down the road and that will always
change in this field this is what I think makes it a great discipline to
study because what we learned 20 years ago is different from what
students are learning now it will be different from looks 10 to 20 years like
it’s continually evolving a dynamic field so it’s not something that you
know it’s on the books and that’s always the way it’s going to be their is always
a new challenge in your opportunity to take excellent on that note we’re going
to close the show I want to think again Dr. Don Hummer the program coordinator
for the master’s degree in criminal justice Masters of Arts in criminal
justice here at Penn State Harrisburg I’m Mitchell Patterson and if you have
further need or inquires you can always send us an email or email Dr. Don Hummer
it’s directly a on the website or homepage at Penn State Harrisburg thank
you for tuning in and we hope to see you again

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